A SUBSCRIBER graciously posed an interesting, though often-asked, question:
“I almost never use slang and shy away from some uncertain idioms like the ones in this lesson, because it’s very hard for a second-language speaker to feel them exactly. For example, when I was reading the annotations the other day and one of you commented such-and-such metaphor was outdated, I remember thinking, ‘I don’t know that and have no way to know.’ […]
What can second language speakers do to make up for style that is often hindered by their lack of native precision and ease? Or should they just drop dead?”
The subscriber recounted that, in Beijing, a fair number of non-locals there tend to use the characteristic ‘r’ sound of the Beijing accent as much as they can in a bid to train themselves up to sound as local as possible.
True Beijing locals can still suss out the non-locals and thought their efforts to sound local is “rather pathetic and laughable,” and, all things being equal, things might well turned out better and all round more graceful had the non-locals just stuck to speaking Standard Mandarin instead.
In a way, the subscriber sees the Beijing situation parallels that of second learners of English — both “trying too hard [to attain native fluency in another dialect or language] not only doesn’t help, it can make you sound and look ridiculous.”
Disclaimer
For the avoidance of doubt, I could never pretend to be a sociolinguist, though the parallels that the subscriber suggested seemed fair enough.
I have had only two years’ worth of linguistics instruction (not by choice or interest, I should add, but by compulsory requirements of the programme I was in at university). All I can say is I’m out of my depth here if I were to offer linguistic techniques or tips on how to achieve native fluency in any language.
RESPONSE
To rephrase the subscriber’s question — what can non-native speakers do to achieve native fluency?
Actually, I get asked this a lot — usually by my colleagues’ kids and sometimes by some friends of mine.
The answer, short and sweet, is time and practice.
The real answer that most don’t want to hear is this: a second-language learner of any language will never attain true native fluency.
The longer answer is this: put simply, ‘native’ (in the sense of language) means to grow up (and have grown up) speaking the language in natural, native-speaking surroundings —that is, with and amongst others who have grown up exactly under the same language conditions. Unless that happens (or happened), a learnt fluency will always be slightly off — even by the slightest margin — when compared with the genuine article. Of course, every person’s mileage may vary.
But some of us (still) believe in the fantasy that a non-native could achive native fluency just by instruction and just after early formative years. Then you need to reassess your understanding of the meaning of the word ‘native.’
Annoyingly, almost as if according to the laws of physics, such a vision is frequently met by an equal and opposite ‘revision’ on hearing this response. They assert that there ARE indeed people who’ve become extremely (and natively) fluent in a learnt language. And they want to know how. As if I knew. Derp.
I don’t doubt their claims, having seen the same as they did. Like I said, everyone’s mileage may vary.
Common sense: How could we be ‘native’ unless we were born or grew up there? That’s what ‘native’ means. It’s no mistake that ‘native’ is the operative word rather than something like ‘formatively acquired’ or some other pretentious label. These people might as well be trying to achieve what the wags call ‘naive fluency.’
I usually explain that I myself could never ever hope to speak German or French or Italian like a native, nothwithstanding having lived in those countries in my formative years. That being the case, my personal policy is I won’t even bother to try and sound native and just let things run their natural course (if that should happen at all). Quality of life just improved, so to speak.
Generalising from what I’ve seen over the years, the absolute majority of second-language learners of (say) English themselves will almost certainly never see the light of day as a native English speaker. Articulation will improve as time goes by, but native fluency, nada.
The idea is very appealing that anyone with the right level of determination could achieve native fluency merely by a process of instructional learning. But the truth is, it is also the hook and bait used by many language schools to draw in fee-paying customers students. It works only for a tiny fraction of people, but not really for the most of us. That truth is as good as it gets.
What to do?
Not one usually to leave things dangling uselessly in midair, I’ll offer some suggestions. People who ask sensible questions deserves to get proper (even workable) answers. People who read and even subscribe to Learn English or Starve show good taste and judgment, and you are no exception.
The best workable answer I have so far is one I got myself in my schooldays. In short, the protips are:
- listen and speak first, read and write second (if you can listen and speak well, you can generally read and write well)
- listen and read the language as much as possible
- (even better) listen and read as widely and differently as possible
- incorporate the language into daily life as much as you could manage
- use the language (read: not show off you know the language)
- realise that grammatical rules are factually only guidelines (for the simple factual reason that all languages are continually developing and evolving)
- realise that grammatical rules are merely dubbed ‘rules’ by grammarians who (in concert with academic publishers) have a vested interest in selling their books over and above your own vested interest to learn the language
- realise and accept that there are loads of exceptions to textbook rules in any language, including your own
The sad and honest truth is, everybody knows what to do already. Man up! Just do it! DO IT NOW!
Tip 3 is especially important. It’s all common sense, really.
We have some real bizarre beliefs about language, almost religious in intensity. One of them is quite a lot of us truly believe that Academic English/German/French/etc, Academic Toiletry, Academic Kitchenry — Academic Whatever-The-Bloody-Hell-You-Could-Slap-A-Name-On is ‘the ultimate.’ The be-all, end-all to the language.
The Chinese are especially prone to believing this academic-is-king nonsense, what with the ‘pull’ of their long history and institutionalised perceptions of academic learning.
Tip 3 is important because it’s the same with me in German or French — if I’m not making an effort to move away from textbooky stuff, then I’m basically stuck in German/French Textbook Hell.
Basically, once you’ve reached a certain level of ability in English, you should reduce gradually your contact with textbooky stuff and move on to other forms of the language. You do that with your own language, so why not with English or any other language? Did you forget how you did things in your own language? How did your command of your own language reached your current level? You don’t eat fish every meal, so why do the same with language?
I don’t wish to be longwinded, boring and making waves, but here’s the deal:
- You can (and could) read 1,000 books in academic English — that’s 1,000 books in just one single register (see later) out of 10, 12 or even two dozen other possible ones (depending on the language classification system used).
- If this were to happen in your own language, can you still expect to be as fluent as a native?
Come on, pee’pl! Will that work in your own language? See what I mean.
Myth-busting
If it were true that textbook and instruction leads to future native fluency, then why in sweet roses’ name do so many Ph.D. foreigners still struggle with their English after years and years of reading and writing stuff in English?
Let’s explode some myths:
Myth #1:
Academic English is best because ‘academic’ means knowledge and culture.
FACT: Academic language in any language has a more inflexible structure because generally it has fewer variable conditions to deal with. Real life calls for a much more flexible language structure because real-life conditions are many and highly variable.
Indeed, it is questionable whether academic language is cultured or graceful, since, if you think about it, it is the subject matter that may or may not have that culture or grace.
Myth #2:
Academic English has higher worth because it’s always been taught.
FACT: Academic English is easier to teach because of its relatively inflexible structure for the reason already given above.
FACT: There is reason behind the inflexible structure of academic English: it makes for a relatively more predictable way of passing on knowledge. The inflexible language structure helps reduce language interference on the subject matter itself.
Myth #3:
Academic English is constant and widely understood.
True enough, but only in the general sense. But realise that academic language is only one way of expressing things, and it’s for a particular purpose. There are other, possibly more exciting, ways of expression.
FACT: Academic language stays fairly constant within one field of study, but varies from field to field, so people working in one particular field becomes quickly accustomed to the quirks of usage for that field and not of another field.
That tells you there is actually no single kind of academic language.
Scientific language is generally more direct and terser than the dense, convoluted, polemic-sounding academic language usually seen in the humanities and liberal arts. Legal English might sound unnecessarily repetitive, often with threatening undertones, because ambiguities lead to lawsuits.
FACT: Language for real life is more fluid and changeable than academic language. Real life involves relationships, circumstances and sequences that often vary from time to time even between the same parties.
Real-life language has to have a changing and changeable quality to reflect that:
I seek employment concerning the advertised position
in this diurnal periodical. (1) (Stuffy)
I wish to apply for that position advertised in Exchange & Mart. (2) (Formal)
I would like to have that job as dispatcher
listed in the local news. (3) (Formal-Informal)
I would like to have the dispatcher job you’ve got in the paper. (4) (Informal)
I want to work in the dispatcher job you advertised. (4A) (Informal)
Myth #4:
Academic English is widely understood, so no need to know any other.
That’s actually a goddamn wrong attitude to take in anything, not just in language. It shows you have a strong streak in your thinking processes for confirmation bias and sneering at others.
You’d be surprised how many people actually have this attitude.
FACT: Not only do we have to learn the grammar, vocabulary, pronunciation, etc, we also need to make sure we use it appropriately and in the right context.
The fact that other types of English usage also exist means it is your duty to familiarise yourself with those, and learn how and when to use them.
Just because you happen to believe academic English is next to godliness doesn’t mean some other sonofabitch (who might know academic English better than you do) thinks the same way.
Just because you persist in speaking academic English to the greengrocer doesn’t mean the greengrocer will respond in kind — or regard you in a better light. (If anything, the greengrocer will think you’re a pervert and call the cops on you.)
Protip: Your duty first and foremost is to be a versatile English user. ‘No peace for the wicked,’ as the saying goes — so a constant vigilance in language learning is also required. Choosing the right language and tone for the right situation is important to keep you out of trouble.
Myth #5:
Academic English always worked for me in class, so no need to change.
You’d be surprised at how many people also have this dotty attitude.
FACT: Too much experience in one language register (see below) means you’re under-experienced in the other registers.
Just because you’re still making yourself understood outside the classroom doesn’t mean you’re doing it well or looked upon nicely.
It’s your loss, baby.
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BONUS RESPONSE
Language registers
(or choosing the appropriate language for the context)
This is a big problem for Asian learners of English, and I’m sorry to say the Chinese are the biggest sufferers. This is mainly because the Chinese language has more formalised forms of expression than any other language.
A register is a variety of a language used for a particular purpose or in a particular social setting. Register denotes the choice of language (whether that be formal or informal) to make you match a given situation. In short, register is about language variation. Don’t confuse register with formal/informal language — they are not the same.
The problem here is that the word ‘register’ is a linguistics term. Like everything else in that perverse field, ‘register’ has no generally agreed definition. It has variable meanings even within linguistics itself. Different linguists’ definitions often contradict each other.
Most textbooks on grammar and linguistics usually give five registers (see below). In fact, there tends to be a spectrum of registers rather than a discrete set of obviously distinct registers. In other words, there is a countless number of registers we could identify, with no clear boundaries.
The Joos model of registers (Martin Joos, The Five Clocks, New York: Harcourt, Brace & World, 1961) is the one usually taught to people:
- Static or ‘frozen’ register is a style of communication that rarely/never changes. It is frozen in time and content, such as the Lord’s Prayer, a bibliographic reference and statutes (laws).
- Formal register is used in formal settings and the language follows a commonly accepted format, usually impersonal and one-way, e.g. sermons, rhetorical statements and questions, speeches, legal judgments, announcements.
- Consultative register is the standard form of communication. Simply put, consultative register is two-way communication, essentially formal but not impersonal, between two people who are not otherwise friends or relatives, e.g. doctor and patient, superior and subordinate, lawyer and client, teacher and student, etc. The truth is that linguists are unable to recognise or define this standard form of communication properly because the language here often overlaps (combines?) formal and casual/informal qualities.
- Casual register is informal language used by peers and friends, so that colloquialisms, slang and vulgarities are normal. This is ‘group’ (even ‘groupie’) language. This register is highly two-way: you must remember to ‘engage’ the other party in this register. Used by buddies, teammates, chats, emails, blogs, letters to friends, etc.
- Intimate register is private communications and reserved for close family members or intimate people (lovers, spouses, siblings, parents, children).
The main trouble with this (and other language variation models used in linguistics) is the classifications are themselves static. They cause people to think there are fixed boundaries between registers (in fact, none). And they contribute nothing more than any schoolkid who can describe the same in less pretentious language.
Gee-whizz, man! We all know formal, neutral and informal already! But what about the in-betweens?! Variations on a classic theme may be fun and cute, but not when you’re looking for answers!
BUT, there are two rules of thumb worth knowing:
- You can transition from one register to the next adjacent one without encountering repercussions. But skipping more or more levels is usually considered inappropriate, maybe even offensive.
- Once you have mastered the language of each register, you can turn them on their heads and mix registers for special effects and impacts (but that’s another post).
Examples:
Would you like a cup of coffee? (5) (Essentially formal)
Can I get you a coffee? (6) (Neutral)
Joe — coffee? (7) (Informal)
Lend me your car, will you? (8) (Informal)
Could I borrow your car? (9) (Neutral)
I was wondering if I might use your car. (10) (Formal)
In fact, examples (5) to (10) could all be classified in any number of way according to your favourite model of language variation. (I’m using formal, neutral and informal just for convenience here.)
Which register to use often depends on the scenario and the relationship you have with the other person. It depends on the time and place, and person you’re dealing with.
For instance, if your brother doesn’t want to lend you his car, example (10) may set the right tone to get his approval (or not), but maybe not with example (8). Your best buddy might be okay with (8) even if the car was new and special (or indeed any of those variations). Most will be happy with the general-purpose (9).
The quality of the sentence might be formal, neutral or informal, but the register depends on scenario and relationship.
I said the Chinese have a big problem with knowing when to use formal, neutral and informal English. The problem stems from their throwing themselves completely into the formalised language of their textbooks, thinking that that kind of English is the only English to be had.
Many times I have seen my longtime Chinese friends replying suddenly in formal sentences — this is the kind of stuff that can cause misunderstandings and resentment. But I usually make huge allowances for most things, so that doesn’t bother me because I understand. No many are like me.
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Life is a two-way communication, and books are only one-way. Do well to appreciate this fact.
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(B11146) © Learn English or Starve, 2011.
Images: Trying Too Hard via Cheezburger ♦ Sign Language Spoken Here via Just Landed ♦ No Myths sign via Patric-Chocolate ♦ Electronic cash register via Kollewin ♦ How Workers Learn (adapted) via Knoweledge Communities.
Yaxue C.
Fri 19 Aug 2011 @ 3.05am UTC
Funny that your first and foremost advice is the sound–sound before the written form and the meaning. I started learning English the mute way, and it was until several years ago when I realized this great truth about language! Without knowing how a word sounds, you can never quite make it your own, even though you know the meaning of it.
I am not a fan of academics speak/writing either. But for years I was cowed by it and wouldn’t dare to tell it to f*** off. The truth is, some academics don’t even like to write the way they do but feel they have to to look real. It is also true that the real seminal work is hardly ever pedantic and stuffy.
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thenakedlistener
Fri 19 Aug 2011 @ 3.52am UTC
That is very true. I never went to school until an extremely old age (twelve!), but I had already learnt by myself how to read from around 4 and started writing in cursive around 5. Those things are called parts of SPEECH, so it became really hilarious to me (secretly inside) to see these bozos going (as we say in rude English) ‘tits over arse’ about reading/writing. If they’re called parts of speech, it was clear as daylight to me that we had to pay attention to sounds.
The funny thing most people don’t realise is this: almost all of the Nobel prizewinners (especially in literature) worked as regular beat journalists at one time or another. Hemmingway, Orwell, Maugham, Joyce, Shelley, Byron (the list goes on) were all lifelong journalists – although for marketing purposes they didn’t claim so.
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Yaxue C.
Fri 19 Aug 2011 @ 3.07am UTC
Forgot to say the most important thing: Thank you 老师!
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thenakedlistener
Fri 19 Aug 2011 @ 3.43am UTC
Oh please, no need to thank me. No need to call me ‘teacher’ – I actually have an aversion to being called that!
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Yaxue C.
Fri 19 Aug 2011 @ 6.18am UTC
Will oblige, but cannot be accused of being ungrateful then :)
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Yaxue C.
Fri 19 Aug 2011 @ 10.59pm UTC
I don’t suppose I’m helpful because I’m always behind everyone in these things, but just in case, the Merriam-Webster has an app you can download to your phone, and for every word the pronunciation is given. I find it very, very helpful. Of course it is American English, but I’m sure there are similar apps for British English:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/promos/mobile-app-promo.htm
BTW, I read your post about pronunciation, why it is the first order of things in language learning. It’s great, and I hope your audience is taking it in.
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NiubiCowboy
Thu 20 Oct 2011 @ 10.47am UTC
Just caught this post and all I have to say is: YES, YES, YES.
Spot on, Naked Listener. It’s strange because many of the non-Chinese people I’ve known who have studied another language intensively throw the book out the window almost immediately, preferring instead to learn language that is current and useful. I did the same, for the most part. Whenever I spoke Mandarin and encountered a word that my friends, neighbors, and co-workers told me sounded strange or overly formal in the context within which I was using it, I would immediately dump that word in my mental recycle bin. As we discussed before on Tom’s blog, many of my colleagues learning English, on the other hand, would constantly second guess my advice and would choose the often laughably outdated textbook as the final arbiter in any language related question.
Regarding native fluency, I can’t begin to tell you how frustrating it was talking about “fluency” with my colleagues and friends. I remember one meeting involving a discussion on how to improve the fluency and accuracy of the employees’ American and British English accents. You could taste the disappoint when, after hearing them give extremely brief presentations, I announced that absolutely no one had sounded even remotely like a native speaker. But, I assured them, as long as they were able to communicate effectively and make themselves understood in another language, I didn’t care how they sounded, I told them as bluntly as I possibly could, “You’re learning English in China, so you’re going to have a Chinese accent.” Indians speak English with an Indian accent, but they make themselves understood just fine. Australians, Canadians, Brits, Kiwis, and Americans all have different accents, but they understand one another just fine. I tried to help them understand that, once you leave your country of origin, your accent of English is often your identifier when you encounter people abroad. Americans sound American because they’re from the United States and Chinese people sound Chinese because they come from China. They don’t expect me to sound like 53 year old pot-bellied, cigarette smoking, Erguotou swigging, man-purse carrying Beijing native, so why should I expect them to sound like June Cleaver?
I’ve forgotten how many times I tried to explain the most basic ideas of first and second language acquisition. Children acquire languages when they’re young or, to borrow a linguistic term, are in the middle of their critical period of language acquisition. I never went to class to learn how to speak my own language, I simply acquired it by being immersed in the pre-existing language environment. But for many Chinese parents, with their emphasis on classes, classes, classes and keeping up with the Wangs, telling them that language acquisition happens on its own through exposure to a foreign language is the equivalent of sitting in front of the fire and divining the cracks it makes in a tortoise shell.
Being the resident foreigner in my neighborhood, I’ve had this conversation many times:
Parent: Why isn’t my child speaking English? He has English classes at school AND we enrolled him in night and weekend classes, but he never speaks English!”
Me: Do you speak English with him sometimes at home? Maybe a few hours each week?
Parent: No, of course not! My English is bad.
Me: But you’re speaking English now and I can understand you just fine.
Parent: No, don’t be so polite, my accent is very strong.
Me: How will your child learn English if he’s conditioned to think of it as the language he speaks during English class at school and/or the language he speaks with white-faced foreigners?
Parent: I don’t know, that’s their job.
As long as a child is receiving positive input in the target language and is in an environment in which they feel comfortable enough to produce language, there’s no limit to how much they can learn. Many of the younger foreign children in my complex attended local schools where the language of instruction was Mandarin. Given that they’re living in China, they’re encountering Chinese absolutely everywhere, so, naturally, after a few years they’re basically native speakers. They’re completely immersed in a Chinese-language environment AND their parents make sure to speak to them in Chinese as well. Another example of this would be the millions of Asian Americans, Asian Canadians, European Asians and ANZ Asians who have acquired English as their first language, but have also acquired their parents’ or grandparents’ native language as their second language, making them multilingual at a young age. In both cases, their fluency was mind-blowing for many people, who would marvel at the child’s language ability and typically ask, “What class did they take? Where we can we sign up? How much does it cost?” A few years ago I read an article on CNN detailing a Chinese adoptee’s trip back to China to visit his biological parents and their family. They were stunned that he couldn’t speak Chinese. Although they were from the countryside and they had had little in the way of education, I’ve found the idea that language is inherently connected to race (in this case Chinese) oddly prevalent even among modernized, middle-class city-dwellers.
Unfortunately in China at least, English students spend far too much energy memorizing reams of useless vocabulary and grammar rules, running through accent reduction exercises, and attempting to quantify what little English they do know (“I know 15000 words, how many do you know?”) with an air of authoritativeness that grows annoying over time, rather than seeking to acquire a language they can actually use.
Anyway, I just read over this comment and realized it was approaching rant territory! My apologies. Once again, great post.
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thenakedlistener
Fri 21 Oct 2011 @ 12.30am UTC
Your comment is excellent and ROCKS. I’m gonna respond with a dedicated post. You are that valuable! Post should come in a few hours’ time. (Well, give it a day because of our time difference.)
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